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Hawkwing74 Camera Operator
Joined: 29 Mar 2004 Posts: 51 Location: Schaumburg, IL
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Posted: 03.30.2004 12:02 am Post subject: Do you use critics? |
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Do you go to a movie even if the critics are against it? How often does the critic's rating of the movie match your own.
Personally I use rottentomatoes.com as an aggregate, and that usually works for me. Sometimes I'll rent a movie instead of seeing it if it gets bashed by critics but looks interesting. |
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beltmann Studio Exec
Joined: 26 Jun 2003 Posts: 2341 Location: West Bend, WI
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Posted: 03.30.2004 1:12 am Post subject: Re: Do you use critics? |
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Hawkwing74 wrote: | Do you go to a movie even if the critics are against it? How often does the critic's rating of the movie match your own.
Personally I use rottentomatoes.com as an aggregate, and that usually works for me. Sometimes I'll rent a movie instead of seeing it if it gets bashed by critics but looks interesting. |
There are a handful of critics whose opinion I take into consideration--the goal is to locate a few that share your general sensibility--but primarily my decisions are driven by internal factors. I will admit that I try to see as many pictures as possible. Since I can't see everything, there is a loose hierarchy: First, the ones I'm most interested in (typically this is more arty or experimental fare, but not limited to that by any means), then films of cultural or artistic significance, then box-office successes. Of course, these basic categories often overlap.
Mostly, I read critics to discover more about what my choices are; I read them for information, and for perceptions. I'm less interested in their judgments--that I can handle for myself. _________________ "When I was in Barcelona they showed pornography on regular television. I'm assuming it's the same way in Mexico since they also speak Spanish." - IMDb user comment |
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Tooky Cat Cinematographer
Joined: 15 Mar 2004 Posts: 106 Location: Madison, WI
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Posted: 03.30.2004 2:58 am Post subject: |
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Very rarely do I ever consider critic's reviews before going to a movie. I might say to my friends "it's getting good reviews" to try to get them to go or something, but other than that I go strictly out of personal interest. I don't like taking the risk of reading a spoiler anyways.
Critics are normal people that get their opinions published. Everybody has different opinions, why should their's be the same as mine? I find that the good thing about reading reviews is that you get insight to a film from somebody else's point of view. This might make you realize a little more about the movie, or make you think about aspects that you previously overlooked. _________________ Let's See It In - T H X - The Audience is Listening. |
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beltmann Studio Exec
Joined: 26 Jun 2003 Posts: 2341 Location: West Bend, WI
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Posted: 03.30.2004 3:58 am Post subject: |
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Tooky Cat wrote: | Critics are normal people that get their opinions published. |
This is only true if doctors are normal people with a medical kit. I'd argue that while many "normal" people are allowed to publish their film musings, that doesn't qualify them as capable critics. Although art is obviously more subjective than science, I'd still argue that a certain degree of expertise is involved with real criticism. In the same way I would only want a skilled doctor to perform surgery on me, I only want to read criticism written by skilled individuals with enough background, knowledge, critical theory, insight, and artistic understanding to offer informed, useful perceptions. Frankly, I'm not interested in a "normal" person's take on a movie. I can get that in the teacher's lounge. _________________ "When I was in Barcelona they showed pornography on regular television. I'm assuming it's the same way in Mexico since they also speak Spanish." - IMDb user comment |
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beltmann Studio Exec
Joined: 26 Jun 2003 Posts: 2341 Location: West Bend, WI
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Posted: 03.30.2004 4:00 am Post subject: |
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Tooky Cat wrote: | I find that the good thing about reading reviews is that you get insight to a film from somebody else's point of view. This might make you realize a little more about the movie, or make you think about aspects that you previously overlooked. |
Agreed. Again, the most useful criticism are the pieces that open your eyes to new perceptions, or new ways of thinking about art. _________________ "When I was in Barcelona they showed pornography on regular television. I'm assuming it's the same way in Mexico since they also speak Spanish." - IMDb user comment |
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Tooky Cat Cinematographer
Joined: 15 Mar 2004 Posts: 106 Location: Madison, WI
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Posted: 03.30.2004 4:13 am Post subject: |
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OK, well, I take that back. Critics aren't "norma" in the sense that they're typical people, I guess I just meant that what they write are perfectly normal human perspectives, just written out and voiced in a way that makes the message much clearer and much more in depth. No doubt it requires a certain expertise. I have a lot of trouble writing those reviews for the Horizon! =P _________________ Let's See It In - T H X - The Audience is Listening. |
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the night watchman Studio Exec
Joined: 27 Jun 2003 Posts: 1373 Location: Dark, run-down shack by the graveyard.
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Posted: 03.30.2004 6:20 am Post subject: |
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Normally, if a movie interests me, I'll see it regardless of the reviews. If a movie doesn't interest me, but is notably well-received, I'll take it into consideration. If I'm ambivalent, the quality of the reviews it receives influences my decision. Perversely, truly awful reviews can interest me as much as glowing ones. The Brown Bunny and Masked and Anonymous are examples of two film whose critical trouncing perked my interest rather than deflected it.
Like Tooky and Eric, I read more reviews about a particular movie after I've seen it than before, to discover other people's insights and interpretations. And like Tooky, I usually use the "it's getting good reviews" line to my friends as a means of enticement. _________________ "If you're talking about censorship, and what things should be shown and what things shouldn't be shown, I've said that as an artist you have no social responsibility whatsoever."
-David Cronenberg |
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beltmann Studio Exec
Joined: 26 Jun 2003 Posts: 2341 Location: West Bend, WI
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Posted: 03.30.2004 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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the night watchman wrote: | Perversely, truly awful reviews can interest me as much as glowing ones. The Brown Bunny and Masked and Anonymous are examples of two film whose critical trouncing perked my interest rather than deflected it. |
Same here. Artistic curiosity beats all. _________________ "When I was in Barcelona they showed pornography on regular television. I'm assuming it's the same way in Mexico since they also speak Spanish." - IMDb user comment |
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louis Grip
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Posted: 04.12.2004 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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Unfortunately I don't get to see many movies, and I'm always time constrained, so I feel like I wasted a good opportunity if I go see a really bad film.
Also, I don't care at all what the plot of a movie is for the most part, as I believe it is possible to make a good movie in any genre with just about any plot.
So I try to get a "feel" for if a movie is supposed to be good or not. The problem is finding a critic that is "on the same level" as you. I used to live in Tucson and the critic there was great (meaning we almost always agreed !). I would read the last sentence of his review and if he said go see a film I would go see it, that simple. I havn't found his equal anywhere else (on the web or in print).
There are a few directors whom's film's I'll see "sight unseen".
Paul Thomas Anderson, for example. Also, the director of Amorres Peros.
David Lynch.
Actors are another story ... I've found there is not as much consistancy across most actors film projects. |
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Erickson Camera Operator
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Posted: 04.21.2004 3:33 am Post subject: |
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Gimmick's Definition of "critic": Elitest Snob....(it goes on)
I have to say disagree with that, but I do question why some people can get payed to give their opinion on something. I normally don't use critics, unless there is absolutley not one good word of press about something, then I probably won't see it. Normally, I will see anything that happens to interest me, or in some cases when I'm forced to go along with my brother (eg: Zoolander). _________________ I hate quotations; tell me what you know |
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beltmann Studio Exec
Joined: 26 Jun 2003 Posts: 2341 Location: West Bend, WI
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Posted: 04.21.2004 3:51 am Post subject: |
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Erickson wrote: | I do question why some people can get payed to give their opinion on something. |
The best critics are paid not to offer an opinion, but to offer a knowledgeable, educated opinion. They can provide the rest of us with new insights, new perceptions, new ways of thinking about art. The very best critics turn criticism itself into an art form--reading Pauline Kael, for example, is often more rewarding, more exciting, and more memorable than the films she's writing about. In other words, some people get paid to express an opinion because what they have to say, and how they say it, is special.
Eric _________________ "When I was in Barcelona they showed pornography on regular television. I'm assuming it's the same way in Mexico since they also speak Spanish." - IMDb user comment |
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GimmickAccount Camera Operator
Joined: 06 Nov 2003 Posts: 87 Location: IW, dneB tseW
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Posted: 04.22.2004 3:29 am Post subject: |
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Erickson wrote: | Gimmick's Definition of "critic": Elitest Snob....(it goes on) |
Actually, it's "Elitist Snob," and no, it doesn't. _________________
beltmann wrote: | I suppose. Teenagers clearly suck. |
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beltmann Studio Exec
Joined: 26 Jun 2003 Posts: 2341 Location: West Bend, WI
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Posted: 04.22.2004 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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One might argue that the phrase "elitist snob" is a rubber knife wielded by those convinced that because they fail to appreciate certain art, no one else possibly could--as if these works could be liked only by those pretending to like them. (The arrogant implication is that not a single person can possibly exist who might know more about a particular work than they do.) In other words, it's a transparent shield used to rationalize--even justify--their own lack of intellectual rigor. They choose simple-minded mockery in order to avoid having to confront their own intellectual laziness. Then there are the fans of Irreversible, who really are elitist snobs.
Eric _________________ "When I was in Barcelona they showed pornography on regular television. I'm assuming it's the same way in Mexico since they also speak Spanish." - IMDb user comment |
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stefanieduckwitz Director
Joined: 07 Mar 2004 Posts: 295 Location: West Bend
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Posted: 04.22.2004 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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Ohhhhhhh..... BURN! _________________ Stefanie Duckwitz |
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matt header Studio Exec
Joined: 26 Jun 2003 Posts: 623 Location: Milwaukee, WI
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Posted: 04.23.2004 4:24 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | Ohhhhhhh..... BURN! |
LOL. Thank you so much. My day is complete. |
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