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The Third M?n Studio Exec
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Posted: 02.08.2004 9:20 pm Post subject: Film Rating & Discussion |
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Somewhat influenced by something they're doing over there on Rotten Tomatoes, I've decided to do this nifty little thing which will [hopefully] create lots of discussion and film rating gobbledygook. Basically, I will post a list of films with 25 titles within it every 5 days or so, and all you have to do is rate the ones that you have seen, and, err, talk about them if you wish. The list of movies that have hitherto been rated and their respective ratings by the posters will be posted on this post. The rating system will be this [exceedingly similar to that used on RT -- okay, so I won't get points for originality but it will work]:
PRO - Masterpiece, truly great film
pro - Very good or excellent film
hmm - Solid, but nothing special
con - disappointing, mildly okay film with a few good aspects
CON - very bad, visual diarrhoea
So here's how it's going:
8 1/2
PRO: Danny Baldwin, the night watchman, Mr Lime, beltmann, matt header, mfritschel, keyinblackman
pro:
hmm:
con :
CON:
The 25th Hour
PRO: Danny Baldwin
pro: Mr Lime, matt header, beltmann,
hmm: Al_Bundy_007
con :
CON:
Adaptation
PRO: the night watchman, Danny Baldwin
pro: beltmann, matt header
hmm:
con :
CON:
Aliens
PRO: the night watchman, beltmann
pro: Mr Lime, Danny Baldwin
hmm:
con :
CON:
The Apartment
PRO: matt header
pro: beltmann
hmm:
con :
CON:
Apocalypse Now
PRO: Danny Baldwin, the night watchman, beltmann, Mr Lime, mfritschel
pro: matt header
hmm:
con:
CON:
L'Avventura
PRO: Mr Lime
pro:
hmm: beltmann
con:
CON: keyinblackman
Batman Returns
PRO:
pro: Mr Lime, matt header,
hmm: the night watchman, Al_Bundy_007
con : beltmann, Danny Baldwin
CON:
Battle Royale
PRO:
pro:
hmm: beltmann
con :
CON:
The Bicycle Thief
PRO: Mr Lime, beltmann, matt header
pro: Danny Baldwin
hmm:
con :
CON:
Big Fish
PRO:
pro: Mr Lime
hmm: Danny Baldwin, beltmann, matt header, mfritschel
con: the night watchman
CON:
Brief Encounter
PRO:
pro: beltmann
hmm:
con:
CON:
Chinatown
PRO: Mr Lime, beltmann, the night watchman, Danny Baldwin
pro: matt header
hmm:
con :
CON:
City Lights
PRO: Mr Lime, matt header, beltmann, Danny Baldwin
pro:
hmm:
con :
CON:
Commando
PRO: Mr Lime
pro:
hmm: the night watchman
con: beltmann
CON:
The Conversation
PRO: the night watchman, Mr Lime, matt header
pro: beltmann
hmm:
con:
CON:
Donnie Darko
PRO: Mr Lime
pro: the night watchman, Danny Baldwin, beltmann, matt header
hmm:
con :
CON:
Do the Right Thing
PRO: the night watchman
pro: matt header, beltmann, Danny Baldwin
hmm:
con :
CON:
Dressed to Kill
PRO:
pro: the night watchman,
hmm: beltmann
con : matt header
CON:
Duck Soup
PRO:
pro: the night watchman, matt header, beltmann, Danny Baldwin
hmm:
con :
CON:
The Elephant Man
PRO: the night watchman, Mr Lime, matt header
pro: beltmann
hmm:
con :
CON:
The Evil Dead
PRO: the night watchman, Al_Bundy_007
pro: Mr Lime, matt header, Danny Baldwin
hmm: beltmann,
con :
CON:
The Evil Dead II
PRO: Al_Bundy_007
pro: the night watchman, Danny Baldwin
hmm: beltmann
con :
CON:
The Fast and the Furious
PRO:
pro: Danny Baldwin
hmm: the night watchman, beltmann
con : Mr Lime, matt header
CON:
Fight Club
PRO: Mr Lime
pro: Danny Baldwin, the night watchman, mfritschel
hmm: beltmann, matt header
con: keyinblackman
CON:
Forrest Gump
PRO: Mr Lime, Danny Baldwin
pro: the night watchman, matt header
hmm: beltmann, Al_Bundy_007
con :
CON:
Gangs of New York
PRO:
pro: the night watchman, Danny Baldwin,
hmm: beltmann, matt header
con :
CON:
Gerry
PRO:
pro:
hmm: beltmann
con :
CON:
The Goonies
PRO:
pro: Mr Lime
hmm: beltmann, mfritschel
con: Danny Baldwin, the night watchman
CON: keyinblackman
The Gospel According to St Matthew
PRO:
pro: beltmann
hmm:
con :
CON:
Halloween II
PRO:
pro:
hmm: the night watchman
con : Danny Baldwin
CON:
It's a Wonderful Life
PRO: Mr Lime, matt header
pro: Danny Baldwin, beltmann
hmm:
con : the night watchman
CON:
Kids
PRO:
pro:
hmm:
con : Mr Lime, Danny Baldwin, beltmann, matt header
CON:
Kill baby, Kill!
PRO:
pro: matt header
hmm:
con :
CON:
Last Action Hero
PRO:
pro: Mr Lime
hmm: the night watchman, matt header
con : beltmann
CON:
Lawrence of Arabia
PRO: Danny Baldwin, beltmann, Mr Lime, matt header, mfritschel
pro:
hmm:
con:
CON:
The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen
PRO:
pro:
hmm:
con : Danny Baldwin
CON: the night watchman, Mr Lime, beltmann, Al_Bundy_007
The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring
PRO: Mr Lime, the night watchman, Danny Baldwin, Al_Bundy_007
pro: matt header, beltmann
hmm:
con :
CON:
Lost Highway
PRO: the night watchman
pro:
hmm: beltmann, matt header
con :
CON:
The Magnificent Ambersons
PRO: Mr Lime
pro: beltmann
hmm:
con :
CON:
The Man With The Golden Gun
PRO:
pro: matt header
hmm: the night watchman, Mr Lime, Danny Baldwin, Al_Bundy_007
con : beltmann
CON:
The Matrix
PRO: Mr Lime
pro: the night watchman, beltmann
hmm: Danny Badwin, matt header
con :
CON:
Monsters Inc.
PRO:
pro: the night watchman, Mr Lime, matt header, beltmann,
hmm: Danny Baldwin, Al_Bundy_007
con :
CON:
Mulholland Dr.
PRO: Mr Lime, the night watchman, Danny Baldwin
pro: beltmann, matt header, Al_Bundy_007
hmm:
con :
CON:
A Night at the Opera
PRO: Danny Baldwin, Mr Lime, matt header
pro: beltmann,
hmm:
con:
CON:
Nosferatu (1922)
PRO: matt header
pro: the night watchman, Mr Lime, beltmann,
hmm:
con :
CON:
Operation Intercept
PRO:
pro:
hmm:
con :
CON: Mr Lime
Pi
PRO: the night watchman,
pro: Mr Lime, matt header, Danny Baldwin
hmm: beltmann
con :
CON:
Punch-Drunk Love
PRO: Mr Lime, keyinblackman
pro: Danny Baldwin, beltmann, matt header, mfritschel
hmm:
con:
CON:
Raiders of the Lost Ark
PRO: Mr Lime, the night watchman, beltmann, matt header
pro:
hmm: Danny Baldwin
con :
CON:
Raging Bull
PRO: Danny Baldwin, Mr Lime, matt header, mfritschel
pro: beltmann, keyinblackman
hmm:
con:
CON:
Rashomon
PRO: Danny Baldwin, the night watchman, beltmann, Mr Lime, matt header, keyinblackman
pro:
hmm:
con:
CON:
Red River
PRO: beltmann
pro:
hmm:
con :
CON:
Reservoir Dogs
PRO: Danny Baldwin, beltmann
pro: Mr Lime, the night watchman
hmm: matt header
con :
CON:
The Return of the King
PRO: Mr Lime, the night watchman, Danny Baldwin
pro: beltmann, matt header
hmm:
con :
CON:
Robocop
PRO: the night watchman,
pro: beltmann
hmm:
con : Al_Bundy_007
CON:
A Short Film About Killing
PRO: beltmann
pro:
hmm:
con:
CON:
Shrek
PRO: Danny Baldwin
pro: Mr Lime, the night watchman,
hmm: matt header, beltmann, Al_Bundy_007
con :
CON:
Signs
PRO: Danny Baldwin
pro: Mr Lime, beltmann,
hmm: matt header, Al_Bundy_007
con : the night watchman
CON:
Silence of the Lambs
PRO: Danny Baldwin, the night watchman, Mr Lime
pro: beltmann, matt header, mfritschel, keyinblackman
hmm:
con:
CON:
The Sixth Sense
PRO: Mr Lime
pro: Danny Baldwin, the night watchman, beltmann, matt header, keyinblackman
hmm: mfritschel
con:
CON:
Sleepy Hollow
PRO:
pro: the night watchman, Mr Lime, matt header,
hmm: Danny Baldwin, beltmann,
con: mfritschel, keyinblackman
CON:
Solaris (2002)
PRO:
pro: the night watchman, beltmann, Mr Lime, matt header,
hmm: Danny Baldwin
con: mfritschel
CON:
Stalker
PRO: Mr Lime
pro:
hmm:
con:
CON:
Star Wars: A New Hope
PRO: the night watchman, Danny Baldwin
pro: Al_Bundy_007
hmm: Mr Lime, beltmann,
con :
CON:
The Straight Story
PRO: Mr Lime, the night watchman, matt header
pro: beltmann
hmm:
con :
CON:
Torque
PRO:
pro:
hmm:
con : Danny Baldwin
CON: Al_Bundy_007
Touch of Evil
PRO: beltmann, Mr Lime
pro: the night watchman
hmm: matt header
con:
CON:
Unbreakable
PRO: Mr Lime, the night watchman
pro: Danny Baldwin, beltmann, matt header
hmm:
con :
CON:
Underground
PRO:
pro:
hmm:
con:
CON:
The Usual Suspects
PRO: Mr Lime, the night watchman, Danny Baldwin,
pro: matt header
hmm: beltmann
con :
CON:
Vertigo
PRO: the night watchman, Mr Lime, matt header, keyinblackman
pro: Danny Baldwin, beltmann,
hmm:
con:
CON:
Week-End
PRO:
pro:
hmm:
con:
CON:
Who Framed Roger Rabbit?
PRO: matt header, Danny Baldwin, Al_Bundy_007
pro: Mr Lime, the night watchman, beltmann
hmm:
con :
CON:
Wild Strawberries
PRO: beltmnn, Mr Lime
pro: Danny Baldwin
hmm: keyinblackman
con: mfritschel
CON:
xXx
PRO:
pro:
hmm: matt header, beltmann, Danny Baldwin, the night watchman
con :
CON: Mr Lime
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Posted: 02.08.2004 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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You picked too many good ones!
8 1/2 - PRO
Apocalypse Now - PRO
Big Fish - hmm
Fight Club - pro
The Goonies - con
Lawrence of Arabia - PRO
A Night at the Opera - PRO
Punch-Drunk Love - pro
Raging Bull - PRO
Rashomon - PRO
Silence of the Lambs - PRO
The Sixth Sense - pro
Sleepy Hollow - hmm
Solaris (2002) - hmm
Vertigo - pro
Wild Strawberries - pro _________________ Danny Baldwin
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the night watchman Studio Exec
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Posted: 02.08.2004 9:58 pm Post subject: Re: Film Rating & Discussion |
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8 1/2 - PRO
Apocalypse Now - PRO
L'Avventura - n/a
Big Fish - con
Brief Encounter - n/a
Commando - hmm (I assume this is the Arnold Schwarzenegger movie)
The Conversation - PRO
Fight Club - pro
The Goonies - con
Lawrence of Arabia - n/a
A Night at the Opera - n/a
Punch-Drunk Love - n/a
Raging Bull - n/a
Rashomon - PRO
A Short Film About Killing - n/a
Silence of the Lambs - PRO
The Sixth Sense - pro
Sleepy Hollow - pro
Solaris (2002) - pro
Stalker - n/a
Touch of Evil - pro
Underground - n/a
Vertigo - PRO
Week-End - n/a
Wild Strawberries - n/a _________________ "If you're talking about censorship, and what things should be shown and what things shouldn't be shown, I've said that as an artist you have no social responsibility whatsoever."
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beltmann Studio Exec
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Posted: 02.09.2004 12:34 am Post subject: Re: Film Rating & Discussion |
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Okay, I'll play just this once.
8 1/2 [PRO]
Apocalypse Now [PRO]
L'Avventura [hmm]
Big Fish [hmm]
Brief Encounter [pro]
Commando [con]
The Conversation [pro]
Fight Club [hmm]
The Goonies [hmm]
Lawrence of Arabia [PRO]
A Night at the Opera [pro]
Punch-Drunk Love [pro]
Raging Bull [pro]
Rashomon [PRO]
A Short Film About Killing [PRO]
Silence of the Lambs [pro]
The Sixth Sense [pro]
Sleepy Hollow [hmm]
Solaris (2002) [pro]
Stalker [n/a]
Touch of Evil [PRO]
Underground [n/a]
Vertigo [pro]
Week-End [n/a, much to my chagrin]
Wild Strawberries [PRO]
I'm not too crazy about this exercise.
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Posted: 02.09.2004 3:17 am Post subject: |
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I'd agree. Three of us responded and it hasn't generated any discussion. Too bad, Mr. Lime. _________________ Danny Baldwin
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The Third M?n Studio Exec
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Posted: 02.09.2004 11:11 am Post subject: |
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Here's what I think, then...
8 1/2 - PRO
Apocalypse Now - PRO
L'Avventura - PRO
Big Fish - pro
Brief Encounter - N/A
Commando - If taken seriously: CON If not: PRO+++
The Conversation - PRO
Fight Club - PRO
The Goonies - pro
Lawrence of Arabia - PRO
A Night at the Opera - PRO
Punch-Drunk Love - PRO
Raging Bull - PRO
Rashomon - PRO
A Short Film About Killing - N/A
Silence of the Lambs - PRO
The Sixth Sense - PRO
Sleepy Hollow - pro
Solaris (2002) - pro
Stalker - PRO
Touch of Evil - PRO
Underground - N/A
Vertigo - PRO
Week-End - N/A
Wild Strawberries - PRO
Feeling a bit reluctant, are we? Hmm... |
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Posted: 02.09.2004 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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I'm okay with this game, even if I didn't feel like discussing any of the movies. I will say I like Soderberg's Solaris better than Tarkovsky's, blasphemous as that may be to admit. And, umm, I'm ashamed that I haven't seen half the films I haven't seen, although Punch Drunk Love is not my fault, since, for some reason, all PDL DVDs are convinced my player is not Region 1. Haven't figured that one out yet. _________________ "If you're talking about censorship, and what things should be shown and what things shouldn't be shown, I've said that as an artist you have no social responsibility whatsoever."
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Posted: 02.09.2004 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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Just yesterday I saw The Conversation and I really, really liked it. An underseen little gem, I thought, but how do you think it compares to the rest of Coppola's films? [it's obviously superior to Dracula and Jack, of course]. I'm not sure which one is better, this or Apocalypse Now -- bear in mind that I have not seen any of The Godfather films [I know, I know...] |
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Posted: 02.09.2004 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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the night watchman wrote: | I'm okay with this game, even if I didn't feel like discussing any of the movies. I will say I like Soderberg's Solaris better than Tarkovsky's, blasphemous as that may be to admit. |
I thought Soderbergh's version was spot on; deeply atmospheric, finely acted and emotionally involving. I haven't seen Tarkovsky's, though -- the novel, by Stanisav Lem, is amazing, by the way. Have you read it? |
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Posted: 02.09.2004 4:59 pm Post subject: Re: Film Rating & Discussion |
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beltmann wrote: |
Stalker [n/a]
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Wait... so you haven't seen it?! |
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The Third M?n wrote: | Just yesterday I saw The Conversation and I really, really liked it. An underseen little gem, I thought, but how do you think it compares to the rest of Coppola's films? |
I just recently saw it for the first time myself. I think I actually like it better than Apocalypse Now and the first two Godfathers (haven't seen the third one), but then again, I tend to like quiet, private dramas like that. (Loved the nightmarish, almost horror movie style sequence in the hotel room. Reminded me of something from a De Palma flick.) I also like how Hackman's character isn't quite the man all of his peers think he is, and how he himself sort of seems to realize it but is trying to keep that knowledge at bay.
And, no, I haven't read Lem's book yet, but I want to. _________________ "If you're talking about censorship, and what things should be shown and what things shouldn't be shown, I've said that as an artist you have no social responsibility whatsoever."
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Posted: 02.09.2004 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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the night watchman wrote: |
I just recently saw it for the first time myself. I think I actually like it better than Apocalypse Now and the first two Godfathers (haven't seen the third one), but then again, I tend to like quiet, private dramas like that. (Loved the nightmarish, almost horror movie style sequence in the hotel room. Reminded me of something from a De Palma flick.) I also like how Hackman's character isn't quite the man all of his peers think he is, and how he himself sort of seems to realize it but is trying to keep that knowledge at bay. |
Yup; those scenes [the toilet one was terrific!] reminded me a lot of De Palma's films, such as Blow Out or Dressed to Kill, in their own Hitchcokian way. By the way, what did you think of the ending? I thought it was very out of the blue and, while anyone could have predicted it, it is Coppola's direction which prevents us from doing so. It was excellent.
the night watchman wrote: | And, no, I haven't read Lem's book yet, but I want to. |
It's superb -- read it last Christmas and loved it. Dissimilar to Soderberg's film, of course, but it still is a masterpiece of science fiction. |
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The Third M?n wrote: | By the way, what did you think of the ending? |
Yeah, the irresolute ending signals how the rest of his life will proceed, and yet, he knows it and is resigned to it. Very complex coda. _________________ "If you're talking about censorship, and what things should be shown and what things shouldn't be shown, I've said that as an artist you have no social responsibility whatsoever."
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Posted: 02.09.2004 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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One more question: why only a pro for Touch of Evil? Come on, it deserves more than that...
That first shot really was breathtaking. |
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Posted: 02.09.2004 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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I loved Touch of Evil (and, hey, you defined "pro" as "very good or excellent," so I didn't give it a bad grade), and that opening shot is absolutely splendid, but it's a self-conscious noir (usually considered by most scholars to be that last "true" noir), so it doesn't quite carry that grim, semi-nihilistic feel most noirs do. Plus, Charlton Heston makes a ridiculous Mexican, and that's coming from a guy who lives in southern California. _________________ "If you're talking about censorship, and what things should be shown and what things shouldn't be shown, I've said that as an artist you have no social responsibility whatsoever."
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