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beltmann
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| the night watchman wrote: | | But The Evil Dead is, without doubt, influential and groundbreaking; furthermore, I don't think it's any more flawed, by contemporary standards, that Murnau's Nosferatu. |
That point is worth repeating. I'm not sure I'd defend Evil Dead so vehemently, but your logic is profoundly sound: There's much more to appreciation than weighing flaws against virtues. The Murnau analogy is perfect.
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beltmann
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| Posted: 02.18.2004 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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The 25th Hour - pro
The Apartment - pro - perhaps leaning PRO
Batman Returns - con, but looks better when placed against the later sequels
Chinatown - PRO - one of the greatest pictures ever made
City Lights - PRO
Do the Right Thing - pro
Duck Soup - pro
The Elephant Man - pro
The Evil Dead - hmm
The Evil Dead II - hmm - I actually prefer the first one
The Fast and the Furious - hmm
Forrest Gump - hmm
The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen - CON
The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring - pro
The Man With The Golden Gun - con
The Magnificent Ambersons - pro - but should watch again
Monsters Inc - pro - I cried too, Matt
Mulholland Dr. - pro - my favorite Lynch
Nosferatu (1922) - pro - too much "and then," I think
Pi - hmm - perhaps I'm leaning pro
Robocop - pro - great sci-fi action/social commentary
Shrek - hmm - I like it less as time passes
Signs - pro - forgive the corny hoohah; Shyamalan is a natural
Star Wars: A New Hope - hmm - absolutely adored it as a child, but I'm not a kid anymore
Torque - n/a
Who Framed Roger Rabbit? - pro - although I never loved it as kid
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The Third M?n
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| Posted: 02.19.2004 10:47 am Post subject: |
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| beltmann wrote: |
Chinatown - PRO - one of the greatest pictures ever made
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Indeed, it is. |
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The Third M?n
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| Posted: 02.19.2004 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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| beltmann wrote: | The 25th Hour - pro
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What did you think of the "fuck you" scene?
| beltmann wrote: | Batman Returns - con, but looks better when placed against the later sequels
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I think the film is equally good as the original, although it may just be me.
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Star Wars: A New Hope - hmm - absolutely adored it as a child, but I'm not a kid anymore
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Same here. I'm beginning to think that the Star Wars original trilogy is rather overrated; I can understand all the revolutionary baulderdash that they speak of -- the visual effects, the lightsabre fights, John Williams' theme and whatnot -- but cinematically speaking, and from a nowadays' viewpoint, the film is above average, but that's about it. It's pure escapism and nothing more, yes, but as such I don't think it should be regarded as a masterpiece. I, too, loved it as a kid, but my feelings toward it have changed. The Empire Strikes Back is the only truly great film in the series, in my opinion. And let's please not delve into the prequels.
| beltmann wrote: | Shrek - hmm - I like it less as time passes
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Why? I've seen it countless times and still love it. Just wondering.
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Monsters Inc - pro - I cried too, Matt
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I hope your irony is at use here. Otherwise your unpredictability is really starting to kick in, Eric.
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Danny Baldwin
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| Posted: 02.19.2004 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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| The Third M?n wrote: | | What did you think of the "fcuk you" scene? |
I think that's actually the most powerful scene in the film.
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The Third M?n
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| Danny Baldwin wrote: |
I think that's actually the most powerful scene in the film. |
I tend to agree. It's very controversial, too, and somewhat offensive. But it has a point. Did you love the ending? 'Cos I certainly did. |
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keyinblackman
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First List
8 1/2 - PRO
Apocalypse Now - n/a
L'Avventura - CON
Big Fish - n/a
Brief Encounter - n/a
Commando - n/a
The Conversation - n/a
Fight Club - con
The Goonies - CON
Lawrence of Arabia - n/a
A Night at the Opera - n/a
Punch-Drunk Love - PRO
Raging Bull - pro
Rashomon - PRO
A Short Film About Killing - n/a
Silence of the Lambs - pro
The Sixth Sense - pro
Sleepy Hollow - con
Solaris (2002) - n/a
Stalker - n/a
Touch of Evil - n/a
Underground - n/a
Vertigo - PRO
Week-End - n/a
Wild Strawberries - hmm
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The Third M?n
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| Posted: 02.19.2004 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Kevin, I just put your votes on the database [see page 1]. Nice to see you here, by the way -- did you follow my link? |
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beltmann
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| Posted: 02.19.2004 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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| The Third M?n wrote: | | beltmann wrote: | Shrek - hmm - I like it less as time passes
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Why? I've seen it countless times and still love it. Just wondering. |
I wasn't crazy about it to begin with, and repeated viewings have only confirmed my suspicions. It coasts by on some fairly uneven satire, and completely loses me in the second half. My review elaborates somewhat. I use no irony or sarcasm when I say that, for me, Monsters Inc. is a much more likable, resonant picture.
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the night watchman
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| Posted: 02.20.2004 2:46 am Post subject: |
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| beltmann wrote: | | I'm not sure I'd defend Evil Dead so vehemently [...] |
Heh heh. Don't have much choice when someone challenges "Back up your opinion or you shall feel my wrath, boy." 
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Danny Baldwin
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| Posted: 02.20.2004 3:43 am Post subject: |
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Forgot to do this.
The 25th Hour - PRO
Batman Returns - con
Chinatown - PRO
City Lights - PRO
Do the Right Thing - pro
Duck Soup - pro
The Evil Dead - pro
The Evil Dead II - pro
The Fast and the Furious - pro
Forrest Gump - PRO
The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen - con
The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring - PRO
The Man With The Golden Gun - hmmm
Monsters Inc - hmmm
Mulholland Dr. - PRO
Pi - pro
Shrek - PRO
Signs - PRO
Star Wars: A New Hope - PRO
Torque - con
Who Framed Roger Rabbit? - PRO
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beltmann
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| Posted: 02.20.2004 4:20 am Post subject: |
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| The Third M?n wrote: | | It's very controversial, too, and somewhat offensive. But it has a point. Did you love the ending? 'Cos I certainly did. |
I can't understand why the mirror scene in 25th Hour is considered controversial. Norton's character says inflammatory things, yes, but he doesn't speak for Lee or for the film--it's a scene that reveals details specific to one character. We're not asked to share his sentiments. I also wouldn't call it offensive, precisely because it has a point.
To answer your question, Mr. Lime, I think the scene works just fine, but it isn't my favorite in the picture. It strikes me as a tad schematic, a little too ostentatious. Just a tad, though.
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matt header
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| My favorite scene in The 25th Hour is probably the closing montage, a heartbreakingly sad pipe dream; or perhaps the opening credits, which achieves great melancholy simply through Terence Blanchard's score and some abstract, but instantly recognizable, imagery; or Jacob and Frank's discussion next to the window as the 9/11 graveyard looms in the background, a haunting analogy between physical and emotional destruction. Basically, it's a great film - that was one of my favorites of 2002. |
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The Third M?n
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| Posted: 02.20.2004 10:05 am Post subject: |
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| matt header wrote: | | My favorite scene in The 25th Hour is probably the closing montage, a heartbreakingly sad pipe dream; or perhaps the opening credits, which achieves great melancholy simply through Terence Blanchard's score and some abstract, but instantly recognizable, imagery; or Jacob and Frank's discussion next to the window as the 9/11 graveyard looms in the background, a haunting analogy between physical and emotional destruction. Basically, it's a great film - that was one of my favorites of 2002. |
It's my 5th favourite of that year -- and matt, you just mentioned my three very favourite scenes from that film. We must be soul mates or something. |
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The Third M?n
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| Posted: 02.20.2004 10:57 am Post subject: |
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| beltmann wrote: |
I can't understand why the mirror scene in 25th Hour is considered controversial. Norton's character says inflammatory things, yes, but he doesn't speak for Lee or for the film--it's a scene that reveals details specific to one character. We're not asked to share his sentiments. I also wouldn't call it offensive, precisely because it has a point. |
I do understand the controversy over that scene; only that it's not very reasonable. Some people may have thought that what Norton's character said was Lee's ideas, i.e. he thought everything that came out of his mouth, etc. However, this is not logical given that he insults the black people and whatnot; and that's not exactly what Lee thinks. Right? Yeah...
I agree with you, all in all.
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To answer your question, Mr. Lime, I think the scene works just fine, but it isn't my favorite in the picture. It strikes me as a tad schematic, a little too ostentatious. Just a tad, though.
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