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beltmann
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 Posted: 06.24.2005 9:50 pm Post subject: Re: Iraq is now a terrorist training ground, CIA says |
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| Danny Baldwin wrote: | | beltmann wrote: | | Perhaps we have lost the notion of leading by example? |
Perhaps we have lost the notion that time should not be wasted in trying to reform those who are already terrorists? |
Quite a stretch in logic there, isn't it? Since when is expecting our troops to act in accordance with established POW guidelines--as opposed to behaving exactly like the enemy--akin to attempting to "reform" terrorists? There's no relationship at all between those two ideas.
Nations are not playgrounds, and the well-he-started-it! excuse does not justify inappropriate action. Simply put, if we do not lead by example, then we have zero moral authority on which to stand.
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Danny Baldwin
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| Posted: 06.24.2005 9:57 pm Post subject: Re: Iraq is now a terrorist training ground, CIA says |
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| beltmann wrote: | | Danny Baldwin wrote: | | beltmann wrote: | | Perhaps we have lost the notion of leading by example? |
Perhaps we have lost the notion that time should not be wasted in trying to reform those who are already terrorists? |
Quite a stretch in logic there, isn't it? Since when is expecting our troops to act in accordance with established POW guidelines--as opposed to behaving exactly like the enemy--akin to attempting to "reform" terrorists? There's no relationship at all between those two ideas. |
I'm saying that the basic principle which drives the don't lower yourself to their ground is because it is the reason others hate us. Or such is the left's rationale. They seem to think that, if we didn't, terrorists wouldn't be terrorists. What I'm saying is that, if they're already a terrorist, they won't change, no matter what we do to the prisoners to get information from them.
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beltmann
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| Posted: 06.24.2005 10:12 pm Post subject: Re: Iraq is now a terrorist training ground, CIA says |
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I'm saying that we shouldn't lower ourselves to their level because our own national character is at stake. I'm all for punishing convicted terrorists, and I'm not particularly interested in trying to "reform" them.
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Danny Baldwin
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| Posted: 06.24.2005 10:48 pm Post subject: Re: Iraq is now a terrorist training ground, CIA says |
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| beltmann wrote: | | I'm saying that we shouldn't lower ourselves to their level because our own national character is at stake. I'm all for punishing convicted terrorists, and I'm not particularly interested in trying to "reform" them. |
Well, that's far more agreeable than what I thought you were saying.
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| Posted: 06.25.2005 3:08 am Post subject: |
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If you have already given up hope that it is possible to change the mind set of these people than why even fight the war against them? It is obvious that there will always be terrorism, and if you think their is no way to stop these people from thinking with such hostility towards us, then why even make an effort to liberate the area. People with your loss of hope would probably be much better off just saying "Well, there's nothing we can do so why not just nuke the whole area".
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Danny Baldwin
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| Posted: 06.25.2005 3:17 am Post subject: |
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| xAndyx wrote: | | If you have already given up hope that it is possible to change the mind set of these people than why even fight the war against them? It is obvious that there will always be terrorism, and if you think their is no way to stop these people from thinking with such hostility towards us, then why even make an effort to liberate the area. |
I said that we cannot reform the terrorists, not the people.
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| Danny Baldwin wrote: | | We need to be leveling the cities in Iraq where the terrorists are. This will not only kill many of the breed of sub-humans, but send a message to others. |
Oh, so you are finally coming to the conclusion that there is a difference between a terrorist and a civilian. A good step forward from your previous statements.
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Danny Baldwin
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| xAndyx wrote: | | Danny Baldwin wrote: | | We need to be leveling the cities in Iraq where the terrorists are. This will not only kill many of the breed of sub-humans, but send a message to others. |
Oh, so you are finally coming to the conclusion that there is a difference between a terrorist and a civilian. A good step forward from your previous statements. |
Sometimes civilian sacrifice is necessary. My previous comments did not imply that everyone was a terrorists, but there are many locations with an overwhelming number of terrorists that can easily be targeted.
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